The Brain Dead

[eastrock]

It is interesting to watch the forum with no name slowly unravel it's true aspirations. How some members who blatantly slagged off Ozouf in a libellous manner 6 months ago, suddenly speak highly of him. Why the change? What has our esteemed Minister done in that time to warrant this change of heart?

Does Mr Walsh need any votes or has he been promised a place in return for his pro establishment stance since the HDLG scandal?
And he I am sure is not the only one to gain from this blatant pro establishment spin.

Why on earth would a grown man with an apparently good job make up more than one user name and spend half of his life churning out verbal diarrhoea?

If the Chief Minister's Department want to spend £1/2m to improve
Jersey's image, it should throw a few bucks to Mr Walsh to shut the thing down.

[Nobody]

When I was a Moderator on Planet Jersey something interesting occurred that exposed a relationship with Ozouf, even at that early stage.

Some of you may remember the period when Time4Change first started to be spoken about as a new political movement? Around that time JTM, then a Moderator of the forum, went into overdrive, rabidly attacking all manner of people as being "JDA!".

There was one member, I can't recall his name offhand, who was busy trying to organise a meeting of some kind with various politicians - an open forum which the public could attend to question these people. From what I gathered, that person had no prior involvement in politics, they were attempting to organise this from the heart, merely to try and get some issues aired.

When JTM found out one of the people planned to be invited to speak had "JDA!" links - it may have been Geoff Southern, I'm not 100% sure now - that was enough for him. He clambered out of the trench, fixed bayonet and charged toward the enemy lines, screaming in a most primal manner....metaphorically speaking, of course.

According to JTM's logic during the discussion, it seemed that anyone who dared encourage public contact with politicians linked with the "JDA!" was a very very naughty person....despite the fact that Geoff Southern was just one politician planned for this meeting. It wasn't a JDA gathering of any kind.

I publically took JTM to task for his attitude, which I considered to be completely out of order - and earned myself a warning from Adrian Walsh for doing so.

It wasn't so much the stupidity of JTM's logic which I found offensive, it was his rank hypocrisy. At exactly the same time he was himself busy behind the scenes trying to get Philip Ozouf to appear on the forum for a Q&A session....a session which unlike the offline meeting could have been controlled to suit the politician's needs, and didn't feature any other politicians offering opposing or altenate views.

After my public disagreement with JTM, he angrily PM'd me with an accusation of my having killed the chance of Ozouf appearing on the forum.

Funny thing was - and some of you may read something into this in relation to current happenings - when he was initially trying to organise the Ozouf thing, he claimed he was having difficulty because he couldn't phone Ozouf....as Ozouf would recognise his voice from school....

I suppose we'll now see a post on that forum accusing us of dirty tricks and rubbishing their name for some obscure reason with a basis residing in jealousy. Well if you're the person now eagerly about to rush over there to file your report, sorry, but this is merely an account of past activity on the forum. If you can't handle truth of that nature, it'll speak volumes about your integrity.

[eastrock]

"It wasn't so much the stupidity of JTM's logic which I found offensive, it was his rank hypocrisy....."

I could not agree with you more. I have never in my entire life come across such a crass hypocrite.

I though Mr Walsh was being very clever by hosting a forum to gauge the feeling of the general public. That way he could put together a manifesto that would appeal to the wider audience. No evidence of that yet. And letting JTM spout his anti gay, anti JDA, anti time4change, anti Ozouf (back in the day), anti bloggers, anti SSS, anti anything against GST, anti anything against capitalism tripe, whilst acting as a moderator has done him no favours what so ever. It only shows me, that he agrees with him.

[Nobody]

Sept 23, 2008 14:13:23 GMT @eastrock said:

IDoes Mr Walsh need any votes or has he been promised a place in return for his pro establishment stance since the HDLG scandal?

I don't believe Walsh has been offered anything of that nature. My view is that he's purely after political power, and I think he's been rather misguided online when it comes to how he's chased that goal.

[revolution]

Wow! I JUST THOUGHT THEY WERE ALL RUDE AND GANGED UP ON PEOPLE,
DIDN'T REALISE IT WAS THE SAME PERSON.

[eastrock]

[/quote]

As I said in one of my blog comments, that forum has damaged Adrian Walsh's prospects.

I too find it amazing that Philip Ozouf is so highly regarded on there.

If you check Voice For Children's blog, you can see Ozouf and Walsh in the background of his excellent Mike Vibert video. ;D

voiceforchildren.blogspot.com/[/quote]


Ahhhh. Thanks for that. Very cosy.

[eastrock]

As Stuart would say "you could not make it up". But I guess there is an expert out there that obviously can. Some one has picked up JTM for his 'sudden' support for Ozouf. Of course, he has not responded. Hilarious.

[eastrock]

My, my. It's certainly kicked off today.
Why anyone would want to be part of a forum that reads your person messages is beyond me.

And why on earth would a candidate for Senator want his rivals using his site to promote their campaigns?

As mod1 says:

"...they do not know the whole story. "

Not yet my friend. Not yet.

[uylenspieghel]

What really struck me about the raving and ranting against Time4Change by some of the PJ posters ... They make it seem as if they were all open to the idea of a pressure group springing up ; and as if they only started defending themselves after Time4Change posters started slagging them off .... Well, if you DO go on to Planet Jersey, have a look at the posts when Time4Change called their first ever meeting ! Even THEN they were ridiculing it all, so don't tell me they only started in order to defend themselves ! Mind you, I actually quite enjoy the discussion on Planet Jersey, if you skip posts by Conductor, Terminator 4 and most of Millennium Man and most of JTM's.

[eastrock]

I totally agree with you there. Remove those Muppets and you have something credible. Sorry I mean Muppet! Even the admin has tried to distance himself from it all now. Off to work on his campaign. As if he was sitting on the pc administering PJ the whole time up until now.

No matter what anyone tells you, time4change got attacked very early on. But that's PJ's MO. They light the blue touch paper, step back, wait for the bang and then cry that they are being attacked and are acting in defence. They have always been opposed to ANY kind of change and only wanted candidates to appear on their website so that they could ridicule them.

[eastrock]

Sept 29, 2008 12:15:42 GMT @davroslesueur said:

Please read the comments attached to the last three
posts on my blog. (Link below)

Do you have an opinion on this, either way?

Is there a way to move forward in peace?

Simple. Let's make this vote of the week.

[crappogre]

Seen on PJ :::
Re: Nick Le Cornu
Started by Millennium Man - Last post by Millennium Man
You have to give his nominator a hand though.

How pathetic can it get?

[eastrock]

At last the evidence. Today on PJ

JTM


"I object. Delete my account, I retire from this forum.

Unless I hear from Adrian I am no longer posting on here."


Administrator


"If that is what you want then I will comply later this afternoon.

Would you like your other account deleted as well"

Source: planetjersey.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1271.msg15603.html#msg15603


No worries mate there is always a home for you @

www.theybannedme.com/

[mac]

Whoops

[davidrotherham]

If Jason's gone, I suppose I could go back. One thing, though, can anyone suggest any reasons why I should want to?

Hmm....didn't think so!

[Nobody]

Call me a cynic, but something doesn't look right with this situation.

BUT....I won't go into that at the moment, because with the admission of JTM's multiple accounts, Planet Jersey have inadvertently raised a more serious question about the behaviour of current Senatorial candidate Adrian Walsh.

JTM has been Walsh's online right-hand man since the conception of Planet Jersey.

As it's now clear that JTM was using multiple accounts on that forum - an accusation which has been levelled at him numerous times over the past few months - was Walsh (as forum owner and Adminstrator) simply too stupid to spot this activity, or did he deliberately overlook it?

You see, the problem that question presents is that Walsh can't really play the ignorance card. If you look at the claim made against myself when I was unjustifiably banned from his forum, Walsh made much of his knowledge of exactly how he knew whether or not forum members were using multiple accounts.

So wouldn't this suggest that Walsh was aware that JTM was equally as guilty of offences for which both he and Walsh had made a big public show of banning others?

At a push I suppose one could give Walsh the benefit of the doubt and assume that somehow, despite being eagle-eyed enough to accuse a number of forum members of using multiple accounts, it was a complete accident that at no stage over the past 7 months did he notice JTM's use of multiple identities....but then that wouldn't look too good considering Walsh's proposer at the Senatorial nominations made a point of claiming Walsh "walks the walk" of computer speak, would it?

Seems Adrian Walsh can't win either way, oh dear.

[planjer]

Hi

I thought it may be helpful if I came on here to try and put things straight. Adrian W resigned as administrator of PJ last weekend and past the role over to me. As from that point he has no involvement in the way PJ is run or evolves from this point on wards.

I realise that for a number of reasons PJ is seen as the voice of the establishment and the finance industry. I am in no way connected to the first, but am employed in the second. Going forward I hope that along with other forums PJ will become the voice of the masses against the stupidity that at present reigns with in our Government and for that reason I hope that we can put aside the idiotic inter forum rivalry and work together to change Jersey.

I am willing to offer an olive branch to those who were removed from PJ in the past, should you wish to return to put across you views from what ever side of the political fence you stand on.

The standard rules still stand about personal attacks etc... However I will guarantee that no posts will be removed for having a different political view point to mine of any of the other administrators on PJ.

Kind regards

PJ Admin

PS I think the spell check on this forum is great.

[Nobody]

Well my first question to Planjer is simple. Can I be a Moderator again?

On a serious note, I'm interested in what exactly this "new management" state of affairs consists of. You're saying that Adrian Walsh handed the forum over to you, lock stock and barrel, and now has no involvement whatsoever in Planet Jersey?

Also, I'd be interested to know if you're going to remain anonymous. One concern of a number of members during the initial stages of Planet Jersey, was the anonymity of the owner. Given the circumstances in which you're taking over the forum, I'd suggest complete transparency is something you need to seriously consider as a way of reassuring people that a new start is the order of the day.

[planjer]

Oct 2, 2008 19:18:40 GMT @davroslesueur said:

Thank you for that statement.
It is good that you come in peace.

A few things:

Firstly, AHITS and I are owed an apology for the lies that got us banned.

Unfortunately I can't apologise for the action of former moderators that at that time I had no control over, I can guarantee that it won't happen again from this point forward

Oct 2, 2008 19:18:40 GMT @davroslesueur said:

Secondly, it has ALWAYS been others defending themselves from Planet Jersey attack and not "forum rivalry"

It's been tit for tat for some time, again going forward I hope that it will stop

Oct 2, 2008 19:18:40 GMT @davroslesueur said:

Thirdly, if the person on your site "Terminator" is not JTM, I demand
that he be reprimanded for the disgusting comments against a disabled man.

I am working on these issues, it will take a short while. In the meantime can you send me a link to the offending thread and I will look into further

Thanks for the time.

[Nobody]

Oct 2, 2008 19:29:07 GMT planjer said:

It's been tit for tat for some time, again going forward I hope that it will stop

Sorry, but saying "its been tit for tat for some time" is nonsense. And the fact that you're already attempting to perpetuate that image worries me.

If you honestly believe there has been anything near an equal level of mud-slinging between other forums and Planet Jersey, then you are seriously misguided.

Look at this forum, there's one thread which you at first glance could possibly construe as attacking Planet Jersey - but read the posts. It's people voicing opinions on some of the questionable behaviour that's been exhibited on that forum. It's not some attack being launched for the fun of it, or some gloating semi-fairytale thread like your recent "They're all talking about us!" nonsense.

There's also the rather telling issue of abuse and mockery appearing on local blogs from "anonymous" pro-Planet Jersey supporters. Some blogs have suffered an almost constant stream of such bile for a number of months, followed up by snide comments on Planet Jersey about those blogs being jealous of (or attacking) the forum. Yet can you find a single dedicated post on any local blog focusing on your forum in any way, shape or form? No. Blog users are only talking of it when forced to defend themselves or respond to derogatory comments coming from the Planet Jersey side of the Internet.

The instigation is very much one-sided.

If you're not willing to frankly address that situation, be it historical or current, then sadly it looks like nothing whatsoever has changed at Planet Jersey.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

I'd love you to prove me wrong, but I don't think that's going to happen, is it?