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Post by ladyjane on Oct 2, 2008 19:59:11 GMT
Good evening Gentlemen, having the greatest respect for both of you, reading you blogs etc., I am a little concerned that recent events on PJ may be a "set up" Do you really believe that JTM will leave his beloved Planet Jersey it seems to be all he has in his little shallow life, of course he may, just may have got that invitation to FW's next cocktail party and been asked to wear a brown tie so it won;t show when he wipes his nose. I think he is yet again having a PR exercise hoping that he will get more users on PJ. Talk about tail between legs. Sadly he will be back in a couple of days, talking the rubbish, answering himself and hoping all the while that the invitatiions will be forthcoming allbeit Franks cocktail parties, membership of the golf club, lets face it if you live in a little bedsit like him, surrounded by old chicken bones and coconuts any invitation has got to better than none. Sorry if you both don;t approve of my six pennyworth and perhaps I deserve a ban, however thought I would add this little comment to your site.
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Post by planjer on Oct 2, 2008 20:12:31 GMT
Ok, if not an apology how about just saying that AHITS and I were unfairly removed due to a lie about a supposed joint login. That can be proven from your records. to be honest I have neither the time or inclination to go back through the records on the forum. However if on your evidence you were removed from PJ on the back of an unfounded allegation, than I will agree that it was wrong. And as previously said going forward, this will not happen again. |
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Post by planjer on Oct 2, 2008 20:22:26 GMT
It's been tit for tat for some time, again going forward I hope that it will stop Sorry, but saying "its been tit for tat for some time" is nonsense. And the fact that you're already attempting to perpetuate that image worries me. If you honestly believe there has been anything near an equal level of mud-slinging between other forums and Planet Jersey, then you are seriously misguided. Look at this forum, there's one thread which you at first glance could possibly construe as attacking Planet Jersey - but read the posts. It's people voicing opinions on some of the questionable behaviour that's been exhibited on that forum. It's not some attack being launched for the fun of it, or some gloating semi-fairytale thread like your recent "They're all talking about us!" nonsense. There's also the rather telling issue of abuse and mockery appearing on local blogs from "anonymous" pro-Planet Jersey supporters. Some blogs have suffered an almost constant stream of such bile for a number of months, followed up by snide comments on Planet Jersey about those blogs being jealous of (or attacking) the forum. Yet can you find a single dedicated post on any local blog focusing on your forum in any way, shape or form? No. Blog users are only talking of it when forced to defend themselves or respond to derogatory comments coming from the Planet Jersey side of the Internet. The instigation is very much one-sided. If you're not willing to frankly address that situation, be it historical or current, then sadly it looks like nothing whatsoever has changed at Planet Jersey. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. I'd love you to prove me wrong, but I don't think that's going to happen, is it? I've not come on here to get into an argument over who said what, where or when. Certain members on PJ have been guilty of pocking fun at other forums as have the members of other forums at PJ, I hope that by today's actions this has been addressed and also by coming on here I am hoping will help to put a stop to it. I will not condone people posting rubbish on blogs, pro PJ or otherwise. I believe we all know who is in general responsible, however there is very little I can do to stop them, it is down to the owners of the blogs to deter or remove the offending comments. I will do my utmost to make sure nothing of this nature appears on PJ going forward. |
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Post by planjer on Oct 2, 2008 20:24:51 GMT
Good evening Gentlemen, having the greatest respect for both of you, reading you blogs etc., I am a little concerned that recent events on PJ may be a "set up" Do you really believe that JTM will leave his beloved Planet Jersey it seems to be all he has in his little shallow life, of course he may, just may have got that invitation to FW's next cocktail party and been asked to wear a brown tie so it won;t show when he wipes his nose. I think he is yet again having a PR exercise hoping that he will get more users on PJ. Talk about tail between legs. Sadly he will be back in a couple of days, talking the rubbish, answering himself and hoping all the while that the invitatiions will be forthcoming allbeit Franks cocktail parties, membership of the golf club, lets face it if you live in a little bedsit like him, surrounded by old chicken bones and coconuts any invitation has got to better than none. Sorry if you both don;t approve of my six pennyworth and perhaps I deserve a ban, however thought I would add this little comment to your site. Ladyjane, I'm sure you are right, however I have a list as long as the New Severn Bridge of the offending IP addresses and will be monitoring them to make sure that should the same situation occur, it will be stamped on ASAP. |
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Post by eastrock on Oct 2, 2008 23:01:43 GMT
Call me a cynic, but something doesn't look right with this situation. Absolutely, Adrian walks, JTM walks. This is total BS. This is an exercise in damage limitation. Far too late in my opinion. Today at 20:29, planjer wrote: It's been tit for tat for some time, again going forward I hope that it will stopIf you look at the time stamps for posts, here, on PJ and and Blogs, you will see exactly the sequence of events. It's simple. And if any other members of our forum wish to voice their views on this matter (because I know for a fact that a lot of them have been subject to unfair treatment from some of the mods on PJ), then they are free to do so as long as they abide by the forum rules. We will not be locking down this thread tonight. Planjer, I have no idea who you are. Not in reality or in this world of cyber personalities. I understand that you have a difficult task ahead of you. One that should of been resolved a long time ago. AHITS and Davros are owed an apology for the way they have been treated. They have at times been totally humiliated in public by a bunch of school boy bullies. And for what? Simply opposing views. This is not the 17th century. I understand that it is not your responsibility to apologise for mistakes made by the previous administration and I hope that you remain true to your word and root out the trolls that have made them selves at home on your site. In the mean time, don't be surprised to experience scepticism from our members. Actions speak a thousand words. |
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Post by eastrock on Oct 2, 2008 23:08:01 GMT
Ladyjane, I'm sure you are right, however I have a list as long as the New Severn Bridge of the offending IP addresses and will be monitoring them to make sure that should the same situation occur, it will be stamped on ASAP. Precisely the reason why I will NOT be voting for Adrian Walsh. If he can not even administer a simple forum, how on earth is he going to administer whatever role he seeks to gain? |
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Post by Jeremy Strickland on Oct 2, 2008 23:12:16 GMT
Planjer, Is it possible to restrict PJ registration ,and username, to be under a person's real name, only? I thank you for extending your hand across to The Jersey Forum. Speaking for myself I found this forum to be a sanctuary from PJ on the following two major points: 1) On setting up my section as a political candidate on Planet Jersey I found my system impregnated with malicious spy ware that proved difficult to remove. This could have been a coincidence, but there again it was hardly a surprise when Planet Jersey's 'Greystuff' announced his political intent  2) On this forum I have found like minded souls who have sought refuge from a deliberate assault on personal expression, and at times on freedom of speech. It was for this reason that I requested the deletion of my political section on PJ. Now having stated my opinion on the camps I will support your move for reconciliation, but please take not that any move toward compromise will inevitably fail. How do you intend to accommodate us all? |
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Post by Nobody on Oct 3, 2008 0:49:06 GMT
Ok, if not an apology how about just saying that AHITS and I were unfairly removed due to a lie about a supposed joint login. That can be proven from your records. to be honest I have neither the time or inclination to go back through the records on the forum. However if on your evidence you were removed from PJ on the back of an unfounded allegation, than I will agree that it was wrong. And as previously said going forward, this will not happen again. If you have access to those records it will be no chore whatsoever for you to pull them out for review. I can give you the exact dates and times the comments were made about myself, therefore there is nothing stopping you going directly to those entries, except the lack of will on your part. You say if on our evidence we were unjustly removed from Planet Jersey that you will agree the removal was wrong. However, as we were removed on the basis of untrue assertions regarding information Planet Jersey claimed to hold, your records are the evidence. Despite repeated requests at the time, neither Adrian Walsh nor JTM were willing or able to produce those records (even though when making their public accusations they firmly claimed on a number of occasions to have them in their possession). I'd suggest as a goodwill gesture it would be nice on your part to make the effort to produce those records. We can then put this issue to rest once and for all, and everyone concerned can move on. If Adrian Walsh really is no longer connected with Planet Jersey that should present you with no problem, and if anything, surely can only work in your best interests? |
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Post by crappogre on Oct 3, 2008 8:58:59 GMT
How are we supposed to know that the 'new' PJ admin isn't exactly the same as the old PJ admin, with a new login?
Or, if it is a different person, can we really believe that AW, as a PC expert, isn't able to log in with full rights?
Sorry, but PJ isn't trustworthy, it will always be tainted and I'll never trust it enough to sign up. And why would I need to? What have they ever achieved?
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Post by Nobody on Oct 3, 2008 9:33:54 GMT
Well, the new PJ Admin seems to have avoided answering my questions about exactly how far removed Adrian Walsh now is from Planet Jersey, and whether he (or she) will themselves be remaining anonymous.
Yet they've commented on other posts made before and after I asked those questions....so make of that what you will.
Maybe they simply overlooked my post, an innocent mistake, so at least now they have a second chance to address the issue.....
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Post by grant on Oct 3, 2008 18:42:35 GMT
Call me a cynic, but something doesn't look right with this situation. Absolutely, Adrian walks, JTM walks. This is total BS. This is an exercise in damage limitation. Far too late in my opinion. Today at 20:29, planjer wrote: It's been tit for tat for some time, again going forward I hope that it will stopIf you look at the time stamps for posts, here, on PJ and and Blogs, you will see exactly the sequence of events. It's simple. And if any other members of our forum wish to voice their views on this matter (because I know for a fact that a lot of them have been subject to unfair treatment from some of the mods on PJ), then they are free to do so as long as they abide by the forum rules. We will not be locking down this thread tonight. Planjer, I have no idea who you are. Not in reality or in this world of cyber personalities. I understand that you have a difficult task ahead of you. One that should of been resolved a long time ago. AHITS and Davros are owed an apology for the way they have been treated. They have at times been totally humiliated in public by a bunch of school boy bullies. And for what? Simply opposing views. This is not the 17th century. I understand that it is not your responsibility to apologise for mistakes made by the previous administration and I hope that you remain true to your word and root out the trolls that have made them selves at home on your site. In the mean time, don't be surprised to experience scepticism from our members. Actions speak a thousand words. Adrian activities in the past has been rather odd. Does anyone know the background concerning this? SENATOR Ted Vibert has sold his four controversial websites back to their original owner, Adrian Walsh, a fellow member of the Jersey Democratic Alliance. The contents of jfsc.com, jerseyfsc.com, jerseyfsc.net and jfsc.co.uk had caused a political storm as they had contained unsubstantiated and denied allegations against the director general of the Jersey Financial Services Commission, David Carse, and his deputy, Helen Hatton. The Senator told the States yesterday that the decision was not connected to a proposition passed earlier this month instructing him to remove from www.jerseyfsc.com and any other website controlled by him the unsubstantiated statements relating to Mr Carse and Mrs Hatton. He was also instructed to refrain from using websites under his control to make allegations against them or any other public officer without first raising and substantiating such allegations through appropriate channels. But the Senator said that he had sold the websites because Mr Walsh’s employers, Anchor Trust, had given all staff three months notice after the Jersey Financial Services Commission rejected a licence application for the company to trade. ‘The former owner is therefore free to act without any constraints by his employer,’ he told the House. And he added: ‘As a result of this sale, I have no responsibility for what appears on the four websites.’ This article posted on April 20, 2005 at 12:00 am, filed under News. www.thisisjersey.com/2005/04/20/ive-sold-my-websites-says-senator-vibert/ |
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Post by eastrock on Oct 3, 2008 18:56:12 GMT
Thank you Grant for that insight. Could you please provide a link for this article.
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Post by grant on Oct 3, 2008 19:23:47 GMT
google adrian walsh jersey
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Post by Nobody on Oct 3, 2008 21:16:03 GMT
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Post by planjer on Oct 3, 2008 22:17:12 GMT
I apologise for not replying to you all sooner, I hope that you can understand that with a job, a new business, home life and also attending this evening hustings time has not been on my side since last night. Anyhow I will try to answer a few questions as well as I can ;- Planjer, Is it possible to restrict PJ registration ,and username, to be under a person's real name, only? I don't think so and maybe not a good idea, anonymity should be allowed to protect people, especial were at times heated debate is involved. I thank you for extending your hand across to The Jersey Forum. Speaking for myself I found this forum to be a sanctuary from PJ on the following two major points: 1) On setting up my section as a political candidate on Planet Jersey I found my system impregnated with malicious spy ware that proved difficult to remove. This could have been a coincidence, but there again it was hardly a surprise when Planet Jersey's 'Greystuff' announced his political intent I met with AW this evening after the hustings, and after introducing myself as we had only ever spoken briefly on the phone twice, I asked him a few questions about the forum in particular the issue with spyware. He recommended some software which can be loaded onto the forum to prevent spyware being attached. I am not a tecci though my wife is and she will have a look at this over the weekend. 2) On this forum I have found like minded souls who have sought refuge from a deliberate assault on personal expression, and at times on freedom of speech. It was for this reason that I requested the deletion of my political section on PJ. I understand that, this evening before I introduced myself to AW, I spoke to Nick Palmer, Mike Foreskitt, Daniel Wimberley and Montfort Tadier. They have all registered with PJ and I wanted to thank them for their contributions, make them aware that I am not AW and that things have and will change. Now having stated my opinion on the camps I will support your move for reconciliation, but please take not that any move toward compromise will inevitably fail. How do you intend to accommodate us all? No compromises, I will respect your views even though I may not necessarily agree with them. I promise that your views will be heard and anyone who abuse you or your views will be taken to task. This does not mean you will get an easy ride, I expect forum members to grill you, after all you're entering politics !!! |
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Post by planjer on Oct 3, 2008 22:27:00 GMT
Well, the new PJ Admin seems to have avoided answering my questions about exactly how far removed Adrian Walsh now is from Planet Jersey, and whether he (or she) will themselves be remaining anonymous. Yet they've commented on other posts made before and after I asked those questions....so make of that what you will. Maybe they simply overlooked my post, an innocent mistake, so at least now they have a second chance to address the issue..... Sorry not avoiding, I missed them and until now not had chance. I also have to read everything on PJ so sometimes it jumbles all into one. How far removed is AW from PJ, the only involvement, apart from being a member, that he has at present is that he hosts the forum on his server, this has been agreed until such time that I can find another host, also it is free. I will remain anonymous to the greater extent. The reason being that I have taken it upon my shoulders to revamp the way PJ is administered which has resulted in upsetting a few people and one person in particular from whom I have already received a couple of unusual emails !!! While I think it's very unlikely that he will do anything stupid I am not going to give him too much to go on. However as I said earlier, I introduced myself to a number of the candidates this evening, before introducing myself to AW. So they basically know who I am and that in fact I am independent to AW. I admit to having a reasonable chat with AW as there were a few things I didn't understand with the admin side. |
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Post by planjer on Oct 3, 2008 22:37:55 GMT
Thirdly, if the person on your site "Terminator" is not JTM, I demand that he be reprimanded for the disgusting comments against a disabled man. Planjer wrote: I am working on these issues, it will take a short while. In the meantime can you send me a link to the offending thread and I will look into furtherThanks for the time Here it is. Seen on PJ ::: Re: Nick Le Cornu Started by Millennium Man - Last post by Millennium Man You have to give his nominator a hand though. This has now been removed. |
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Post by Nobody on Oct 4, 2008 3:38:16 GMT
However as I said earlier, I introduced myself to a number of the candidates this evening, before introducing myself to AW. So they basically know who I am and that in fact I am independent to AW. I admit to having a reasonable chat with AW as there were a few things I didn't understand with the admin side. May I ask an obvious question? If Adrian Walsh doesn't personally know you - because you've mentioned a couple of times that you had to introduce yourself to him the other night - how did it come to pass that he handed you in particular the keys to his kingdom? |
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Post by planjer on Oct 4, 2008 9:09:24 GMT
However as I said earlier, I introduced myself to a number of the candidates this evening, before introducing myself to AW. So they basically know who I am and that in fact I am independent to AW. I admit to having a reasonable chat with AW as there were a few things I didn't understand with the admin side. May I ask an obvious question? If Adrian Walsh doesn't personally know you - because you've mentioned a couple of times that you had to introduce yourself to him the other night - how did it come to pass that he handed you in particular the keys to his kingdom? I will quite happily stand up in a court of law, swear on my late fathers grave and take a lie detector test to confirm that until last Saturday I had never spoken to AW and that until last night I had never met him. Maybe one of the other candidates who I spoke to at the St Brelade hustings could confirm this ? When I spoke to him originally he asked me to take on PJ because he had found my posts to be reasoned and not the usual upfront, finance is great, confrontational stuff that came from certain quarters. I've said my bit now, and have offered those who were disaffected by the way PJ was being run originally the chance to come back and join the debate. I'll leave it up to you guys to make up your own minds. Thanks for giving me the time. |
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Post by bateman on Oct 4, 2008 9:55:04 GMT
The reason i have joined was to post my opinion of PJ etc.
I knew JTM since the WhyJersey days where he was a moderator, and he had his part in the downfall of that site too.
He was on Why Guernsey alot, and all in all he was trolling. Sometimes amusing but mostly argumentative, especially if you didnt agree with him.
Then PJ.
I joined against my better judgement, i was warned by alot of people not to bother...some even PM'd me on WG (they dont even know me personally!!!) and said it will turn into JTMs little kingdom and he will just ban you as soon as he knows who you are.
I joined as JamieC and after a few posts i was PM'd and congratulated and offered a future mods job (i would not have taken it as i dont have time).
Then i disagreed with a few of JTMs posts and things changed. In the end i was banned for having two logins. This was untrue as a work colleague was also on the site, therefore the IP address were the same. (I can prove this if need be)
Emails to PJ admin were ignored so i PM'd JTM on WG to ask what was going on. He told me that i wasnt wanted on PJ and no way could i get back on.
He then outed me on WG in a post (my surname). How he got that i dont know?? i hope he didnt use my login details from PJ as he was a mod. If AW was a mod at this time then i am very disapointed as this should have been looked into properly and not just by one man ie JTM.
My point? to show what was going on on PJ.
JTM's multi accounts?
I have sparred with Jason from the very beginning, i know his posting style as soon as he writes the first sentence, as do others of course. They are easy to spot, the names are all the ex WhyJersey members and some other. He makes mistakes sometimes, very amusing ones too. See if you can spot them......in fact i think some have been saved in case they are "edited".
The one thing that i think stinks is the fact i and others were kicked off the forum for multi accounts (unfairly) yet JTM was allowed to continue with his.
I knew this would all happen in the end and i am glad it has. Whilst i will never go on PJ again and post alot, i may pop in from time to time.
A close freind of mine who is an intelligent guy (should go for a Senatorial imho) warned me not to join. He also said that he considered emailing AW when he found out who was behind PJ and telling him the site would have no credibilty whilst JTM was involved.
How true his words have proved to be.
These are the facts as i know them, in fact if JTM wants to reply he can.
PlanJer - thanks for replying and trying to clear things up, i hope it suceeds at PJ for you.
Regards
Bateman
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