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Post by Bea on Oct 17, 2008 20:41:10 GMT
SSS blog today and yesterday What I feel so frustrated about is that the truth or even the allegations put forward are never talked about, denied or investigated except on various forums. There is no one to complain to. The higher up the tree the more secrecy, lies and spin and they get away with it. Sean power tonite on planet jersey has answered a solid "yes" to the hypothetical questions posed by sss regarding senior civil sercants in esc There are about 17000 kids under the remit of esc but no journalists locally will take it up and endeavour to find out the truth as whether the kids of all ages are safe under the current management. I contacted bill o office and was put through to the comms unit who said it was not in the public interest for them to comment but can assure me that department is being well managed. Mmm not convinced Well they would say that would'nt they. so if they are not communicating to the Jersey public ,who do they communicate to ? |
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Post by newyorker on Oct 17, 2008 21:20:37 GMT
but it would not be acceptable to most people if they knew i think they justdo not know. , what do you do. Sss has tried everything. We appear to live in a bubble,it appears that most people do not know about these things or do not want to know. It may burst the bubble of being so 'privileged' to live here. I would prefer if the media would represent the public view. Is that so hard to ask for. I think it is
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Post by Bea on Oct 17, 2008 21:58:01 GMT
but it would not be acceptable to most people if they knew i think they justdo not know. , what do you do. Sss has tried everything. We appear to live in a bubble,it appears that most people do not know about these things or do not want to know. It may burst the bubble of being so 'privileged' to live here. I would prefer if the media would represent the public view. Is that so hard to ask for. I think it is Have to encourage all your friends who have internet access to check out the local sites and blogs .Get them to pass the word on . Unfortunately a lot of people do not have net access,so rely on the local media for it's news . That news is very different to what is written online.They have to be very careful of what they print .Also many argue that it is biased towards the Establishment,lots of examples of poor reporting,or inaccuracies. They have to be made more accountable,and be taken to task more. Eventually someone might intervene and restore some impartiality The online blogging community is growing,the politicians realise the impact it has,many have joined in to "connect"with their Electorate. That say's something . Just spread the word,encourage others to read outside of mainstream media. Then you can have an informed choice. |
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Post by southener on Oct 17, 2008 23:55:54 GMT
I know this is mostly off topic and probably steping over a line but does anyone here think that there are a few clues that the states members may have just about gone over the line themselves this month and covered up a lot of things and done other things sucessfully to keep "The jersey way" and "The Establishment" going. If people too many people think this is too far fetched then i will remove this but personally I believe these guys could have possibly gone that far.
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Post by Nobody on Oct 18, 2008 8:25:24 GMT
.Get them to pass the word on . Unfortunately a lot of people do not have net access,so rely on the local media for it's news . The latest figures claim that something like 70% of islanders have Internet access. It seems to me the need is to make the majority of that 70% aware of the local online community and the alternative news angles that are sometimes revealed within. |
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Post by markforskitt on Oct 18, 2008 11:03:20 GMT
The latest figures claim that something like 70% of islanders have Internet access. It seems to me the need is to make the majority of that 70% aware of the local online community and the alternative news angles that are sometimes revealed within. Certainly there is something odd. I had about 400 unique visitors to my election site. Clearly a vast number of voters have internet access, but didn't visit the site. Could have been of course they had already decided I was a waste of space/time |
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Post by Bea on Oct 18, 2008 11:27:06 GMT
The Jersey public can be a fickle lot.One firend whjo had promised to come out and vote for new people ,when I spoke to her other day said "Nah,did not bother had a a hangover ,besides what difference would it make"
Lots vote for a Jersey name ,because they think they will look after the heritage.
Also wonder how effective all those manifestos are,how many read them?
Do people vote,because they have a nice tie,speak posh,his wife goes to same gym,and all those other things.
From my observations hard to get the working people out,the very ones that need good people to work on their behalf.
Perhaps they have been demoralised over the years with same old ,same old.Who could really blame them if they felt left down.
While they don't vote,the odds are skewed against those who stand up for them and their interests.
Shame the results can't be better analysed .
I.e How many women vote,age groups etc .
Pensioners ,and the breakdown of those figures .
More importantly ,a class or income breakdown.
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Post by Bea on Oct 18, 2008 11:30:09 GMT
I know this is mostly off topic and probably steping over a line but does anyone here think that there are a few clues that the states members may have just about gone over the line themselves this month and covered up a lot of things and done other things sucessfully to keep "The jersey way" and "The Establishment" going. If people too many people think this is too far fetched then i will remove this but personally I believe these guys could have possibly gone that far. what sort of examples ? Do you mean keeping things out the media,or using the media to promote their agenda? Or something else? It is up to us the Jersey public to scrutinise them,make them accountable. I think many people are interested in local politics than ever before,we will hold them to account. Looking to see Reform on the agenda,as all said it was important. Watch this space,now they are back in. |
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Post by Bea on Oct 18, 2008 15:09:25 GMT
Good morning Friends and Colleagues
As we well knew, a part of the audience last evening were solely there to jeer and mock existing Ministers etc….this was set up by supporters of the JDA, Mrs Macon who detests current Ministers etc… ( using her son as the dummy to do her dirty work ) and of course Le Cornu / Tadier etc…there were people in the audience like that Corby woman who are there to destruct etc etc….I recognised several people who are just quite mad…McMurray and his wife and ilk etc…remember that the majority of the people last nite were related or supporters of candidates…the good sensible electors ie those we rely on were not there…there were good people around me last nite who will be supporting you good people, t they trust you..… and these people were surprised and quite upset at the agression of some of the candidates etc…
On last nites performance everyone around me thought the three of you held your own well and came out with statesmanship and dignity etc….well done chaps…even people like Breckon were aggressive and rude by calling people by their surnames… bloody rude…in all it was expected that some of these candidates just fell on their "swords " brought on by aggression and threatening behaviour..they will end up bottom of the pile…
The one disappointment we all have is Mike Vibert…is he well because his public performances have been very poor and the twice I have seen him his deliverances of his policies etc have been very poor and non existent…I am very worried for him…
Anyway the three of you did well…congratulations and best of luck for tomorrow..
Been pondering over this letter last couple of days.Have read it on several occasions,analysed the content (not hard).
From my observations,it proves beyond doubt that there is a "old boys network ".They are a party,"The Establishment Party",even though they claim to be independent.Very cosy and interconnected by the looks of things.
They also appear to believe that any criticism against their party line, is not acceptable.
There appears to be no room for anyone who does share the same view points
So a dissenter basically will always be an Enemy of this party.
Ok for them to classify dissenters as mad,ok to quash frustration felt by the general public, o. k to tell lies about people, and name,insult their characters and integrity. Also to shame them in such a public way,to further their own objectives.
Something is very wrong .
Just be honest guys ,and come out and register next time as the
"Old Boys Establishment party".
Who knows you might just get a few more votes!
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Post by mac on Oct 18, 2008 15:27:29 GMT
It's the fact that he didn't send to some of the other standing politicians that in some way shows who's in the club  Also how he included the Chief Minister and Chief Minister in waiting. |
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Post by Bea on Oct 18, 2008 15:33:03 GMT
The word 'Statesman', has appeared in a recent letter circulated to various States members and the local media.
Just found this quotation which I though was very appropriate.
A politician is a person with whose politics you don't agree;If you agree with him he is a Statesman
David Lloyd George -British Prime Minister 1933
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Post by linda on Oct 18, 2008 21:41:57 GMT
I like the Winston Churchill quote 'The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is.'
Someone should circulate this quote to our States members, for time will always expose the truth in the end.
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Post by southener on Oct 18, 2008 22:34:28 GMT
What I mean is that there have been classic Examples of blacking out the media, the public have a right to know these types of things.
They keep these "secrets" badly, Syvret is a prime example of a statesman who was taken down by politicians all because he tried to do the right thing.
The states made a bad choice by keeping the child abuse case under rapps.
As I say that, I think of GST and what they did with the Income Tax a lot of people have taken it as a good Idea but its not at all good in my opinion, for one they got rid of rent rebate which has placed a lot of minimum wage adults, parents and pensioners even in a very dificult place. Tadier and Le Cornu have the right Idea it is time for change.
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Post by Bea on Oct 19, 2008 8:06:59 GMT
It's the fact that he didn't send to some of the other standing politicians that in some way shows who's in the club Also how he included the Chief Minister and Chief Minister in waiting. And he left the guy who could have done with the support the most out of the loop ,but was happy enough to knock him to the others,the ones in the loop. |
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Post by gagged on Oct 19, 2008 13:10:33 GMT
From what I can Gather Le Main will not be facing his electorate again so possibly feels he has a free rain to do what the hell he pleases.
There could (should) be a vote of no confidence made against him if for nothing else to remind him he is answerable to the electorate. Anybody interested in taking this up please let me know.
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