Southern / Macon nastyness

[crappogre]

Give the guy a break, Geoff - he's not even sworn in yet!
Does it matter if his mother is acting in a secretarial role? It was obvious through the campaign that there was a supportive family behind Jeremy and the voters obviously liked the idea. Do you really think that Jeremy and his family would NOT talk about everything at the dinner table? Does ANY states member clam up and never discuss anything with their partner?

What hope do the JDA have of winning over supporters when they pull a leak and publicity stunt like that?

I was warming to the idea of supporting them but they've lost my respect again, right down the pan!

The Establishment will be widdling themselves laughing that the lefties are arguing amongst themselves already..... hello CM Terry

[crappogre]

Well done to the BBC and 103 for not joining in the JDA/CTV bullying.
Let's see whether the JEP sticks their oar in............

[crappogre]

Jeremy - well done for having the 'nads to face the TV camera unscripted. Shame you panicked and came out with some "good cop/bad cop" stuff that made no sense, but we can see past that because you were obviously unreasonably hounded and put on the spot in ways in which they don't treat the establishment party. Well done for turning it around and offering parishioners the chance to have their say.

Let that be a lesson. Please let your mum fade into the background now. We don't expect you to be 100% on your own - no man is an island - but we expect you to present as polished a performance as you can manage, as much as you can. Let your mother help you behind the scenes (after all, you don't have a political party behind you or an expensive communications unit group of spin doctors!) but present to the world Jeremy Macon the independent, not the spokesman for the Macon Massive.

Don't ever trust CTV again. Only give them preprepared statements and refuse to answer bullying tactics.

Geoff, I understand your exasperation in some ways, but your behaviour was over the top, bullying the new boy like that.

I don't know whether you personally got CTV in on the act, or were alternatively slimy enough to copy in someone who leaked the emails - but they were addressed to you personally and I find your behaviour despicable.

If you did call in CTV and then stage the mock surprise of standing in the square pretending you didn't know what was happening for a moment, then shame on you. You have zero credibility until you apologise.

JDA, Geoff is a politician as a member and leader of your party, and you need to distance yourself from this sleazy stunt. If you say nothing, you're all tarred with the same brush. You need to make a statement or your credibility as a whole will affected. You are already regarded by many as a bunch of "kick ass" lefty thugs, and this really does you no favours at all.

CTV, I don't appreciate seeing two dumb blondes revelling in sticking the boot in. I'm sure I'm not imagining seeing how much they have visibly enjoyed presenting any recent story that attacks anyone in the 'anti-establishment' camp.

I don't expect to see a journalist pursuing a willing interviewee until he's too stressed to answer sensibly, when the same treatment is not given to long serving politicians who really do deserve such Paxmanlike grillings. He's not even sworn in yet! You have done yourselves no favours by such bullying. We can see through it. Shame on you.

[gagged]

CTV have showed their true colours. Anybody who had any doubts about there rabid support for the establishment just might think twice now.

[crappogre]

further advice to Jeremy - fairly obvious - do hold the parish surgery on your own! If your mum turns up you may as well throw in the towel!
All the best

[crappogre]

And STILL they're stirring things up, saying he could face further criticism, if (a big if!) calls are made for him to support TLS for CM!

What's the betting they send a load of troublemakers to the meeting to make Jeremy look as bad as possible, and they'll be there with cameras to capture it?

He just has to say that he has already canvassed on that point and has already found that opinion is in favour of Alan Breckon, and a relatively small turnout to the meeting can not change his mind compared to what he has previously found to be the overall mood of the district.

Given that's the case, isn't it a bit desperate for CTV to try to make capital out of it in this way? Laughable!

[revolution]

THIS WHOLE AFFAIR IS A TOTAL STITCH UP.

[Bea]

Dec 3, 2008 9:11:39 GMT crappogre said:

Well done to the BBC and 103 for not joining in the JDA/CTV bullying.
Let's see whether the JEP sticks their oar in............

Think it was pretty obvious they would !!Honest Nev would have given pretty good odds on that happening .

[crappogre]

Yes, anything to sell some rags
It seems a bit more impartial than the CTV treatment though, appearing to be more of an straightforward report of the facts for readers who want to know what's happened, and to their credit they are allowing a mix of views on their comments webpage.

I see the JDA are saying Geoff has done nothing wrong, and are blaming the leak on two 'senior' states members.
a) why the need to pass it all on to those extra people?
b) the interview on CTV was a disgusting attack in itself. Geoff should have said it was a private matter, expressed his personal opinion as his own if he wanted, but should not have gone as far as he did..... all while appearing to be a JDA spokesman.

If the JDA don't admit it was poor behaviour and a tactical mistake then I don't see how anyone can ever take them seriously.

[Bea]

Dec 3, 2008 18:09:45 GMT revolution said:

THIS WHOLE AFFAIR IS A TOTAL STITCH UP.

the question is who is stitching who up
Who did the leak?

what was the purpose,and what are people hoping to gain from it ?

And why this sudden bout of investigative journalism from the local media?

surely they had ample and more interesting stories of recent months to delve into?

[revolution]

SOUTHERN SHOULD RESIGN IMMEDIATELY.
WHO ARE THE 2 SENIOR POLITICIANS THEN???

(SORRY ABOUT THE CAPS, MY BOARD IS BROKEN)

[crappogre]

A silly letter in the JEP today calls for JM to resign!
Why? What has he done wrong, apart from dare to let his support team discuss things with Geoff in the same way as in various informal chats in the parish halls after hustings meetings - when it wasn't a problem?

Obviously it's his fault that Geoff threw a tantrum and kicked up a fuss! It must be his fault that Eric Bully attacked the new boy's credibility and abused his trust!

Is the letter writer saying that St.Saviour parishioners are incapable of electing the candidate of their choice? Is he insulting their votes?

It was all there 'on the table' at election time, plain for everyone to see, and the people voted accordingly. Those who failed to bother to vote should shut the heck up. Those who voted for other candidates really should accept they were outnumbered. Anyone who voted JM and now regrets it because they aren't happy with their own lack of research should admit to themself that they failed to do their homework and investigate how their chosen candidate was conducting his campaign. Not that JM was doing anything wrong - but if they want to admit that they failed to make a judgement that suited their ageist views, that's their right I suppose! (would it change anything for them if the new deputy in question was 40, married with kids, but getting support from his mother and siblings?)

Plainly it is JM who will be in the States chamber, JM who will be making speeches, attending meetings and pushing forward new ideas. To suggest that he is incapable of this on his own is a petty churlish insult. Why don't we wait and see how it pans out?

If JM's term of office turns out to be a complete fiasco after 3 years, then he won't get back in. That's how our system works. Get used to it or campaign for change!

[crappogre]

The plot thickens!
Stuart and Geoff talk about it, then Stuart says he suspects someone in JM's camp, calls it a non-event and refuses to allow further discussion.
I find that a bit strange, to be honest.

[crappogre]

I give up.

We have a very limited amount of information at our disposal for trying to work out what the hell is going on. I don't trust any politician to tell the truth 100% of the time - so what's the point taking an interest in politics?
People don't vote because they say "they're all as bad as each other".
Now I see their point. I've realised how futile the whole b**** thing is.
Stuff the lot of it.
I'll just roll over and take it, I've lost interest. We'll never get the truth, so ffff it!

[generationx]

I never suspected it was Southern.
Can't you see when the oli are at work.
I believe Southern is a good person and an excellent politician.
He might not be that likable, but he has done more good than many likable politicians put together.
Southern is on the side of your average Joe /Joanne and pushes for reform to improve things This is quite unlike our nice oli who tend to strut around higher echelons, only pay lip service to the ordinary folk and defend the rose garden and deny there are thorns and weeds.

[revolution]

NELLIGATE HAS GOT MORE INTERESTING.
SEEMS THAT JEREMY'S SISTER IF VERY FRIENDLY WITH MONTFORT TADIER
COULD IT ALSO BE DO WHAT THE MOTHER IN LAW SAYS?

[crappogre]

I think Montfort is very much his own man!

I wonder if Jeremy's mum will be in the public gallery to see him sworn in, the first sitting etc.
What parent wouldn't want to go and swell with pride on an occasion like that? Yet if she does..... imagine what CTV and the rag will make of it!
That's a tough call, Nellie!

[Bea]

Dec 7, 2008 16:33:30 GMT crappogre said:

I think Montfort is very much his own man!

I wonder if Jeremy's mum will be in the public gallery to see him sworn in, the first sitting etc.
What parent wouldn't want to go and swell with pride on an occasion like that? Yet if she does..... imagine what CTV and the rag will make of it!
That's a tough call, Nellie!

Of course she should be there.
Do any of us really care what our local media think and do anymore to be honest ?
They have plumbed to new levels of late.

[mac]

I'd be more supprised if she wasn't there. or maybe they should ban the familys of all members being in the public gallery of the states after all you can't have people being proud of and showing support

[nelliemacon]

Sorry, I can't comment - Jeremy won't allow it.