Stuart naming names

[crappogre]

Sayeth Stuart (on his blog) :

"you want me to apologise to Freddy Cohen?OK.

I will apologise -

But here’s the rub.

I’ll apologise for using a calculatedly provocative analogy – as one who knew exactly what it meant - on condition - that he first apologise to the people of Jersey for betraying a clear and unambiguous election promise contained in his manifesto.

And that he first apologise to me for lying to me about his intention to support the non-taxation of health care – on the very eve of the exemptions debate.

Fair do’s?

I think so."

I don't. Sorry Stuart, much as I admire your work this deliberate attempt to annoy or hurt an argument opponent just weakens your position and makes you look childish.

It takes a big man to admit his wrongs and unreservedly apologise - unconditionally.

I would LOVE IT if you could do that. You'd get a LOT of respect for it. Those that currently regard you as the petulant brat would take notice that you are a reasonable man after all.

Public opinion does matter - we all depend upon others in this world and their support can help us enormously. At the moment there are sections of the community who base their views upon a selectively filtered distorted subset of reality as provided by the rag. An apology would be carried by the rag (they'd love it!) and by doing so they would be helping to re-educate the masses somewhat, because, far from being an embarrassing comedown, it would do you a huge favour by demonstrating humility rather than arrogance.

Go on, you know it makes sense. Trying to insult someone in an argument is a sign of losing, like two kids in a playground and one of them is getting nowhere so he says "yeah, well you smell!" or something.

Don't forget that an apology is also a great time to restate your case while people are taking notice.

Best,
the ogre

[crappogre]

Having read his latest blog reply it looks like it's a waste of time trying to change his mind on this one!
I can understand his position though - why waste effort being polite to people who don't deserve it? I'm not sure it's very productive (and I have to ask why enter into discourse AT ALL with anyone who doesn't deserve it?), but in a way I can still admire him sticking to his principles. That will keep him his supporters I'm sure, even if it doesn't win over anyone new.

I personally think it's always best to write any emails as if the whole world could be watching (which they could be, effectively, if it's made public) and treat people the same way regardless of how you're communicating. Always imagine there's a hidden camera filming you, and you'll automatically behave in a way that covers you.

Stuart however, doesn't give a flying banana what people think when he knows he's right. I've got to admire that, LOL

Also it's hard not to come to the conclusion that old Freddie is cynically abusing his right to be offended and is "making political capital out of it" ;D

[crappogre]

Hilarious posting from Stuart on itj... I wonder how long before this gets censored....

"Like I said Nic Le Cornu – you always were really thick.

As it’s taken several days for you to produce this “rant”, these “insults”, this “personal abuse” – I’m really glad I’m not one of your clients waiting for your work (if you, in fact, have a job these days? Or you still living with your parents?)

Well, Nic – you may not like my writings – but they do have one distinguishing advantage over yours: mine are true.

You place a supposed “argument” against me which embodies and evidences on your own part, every single supposed ‘defect’ in my approach.

Well, Nic and Time4Change, if robust language be a crime – you’re every bit as ‘guilty’ as me.

Let me invite readers to go back over ItJ postings – back to the time you began using the avatar “Tom Gruchy” – and have a good read of them.

It’s all there.

Readers can see the evidence for themselves that you, Nic, using this pseudonym, have mounted a campaign of personal abuse against me for months and months.

But in text-book bully mode – when someone stands up to your cowardly, disguised attacks – when someone fights back – you start shrieking and crying and running around saying ‘how nasty’.

As well as being a Leninist, and a Nazi memorabilia obsessive – you are also a spineless coward.

I repeat, thick; - what other possible explanation could there be for you being dumb enough to attack others for criticising people – whilst doing exactly the same yourself – only hidden away behind a pseudonym!

As I said, Nic – “Tom Gruchy” - Le Cornu, the most cursory examination of your history on this site proves beyond all doubt that your prime modus operandi has been to mount unsubstantiated, personal attacks against me – so I make no apologies for fighting back – indeed, in the face of the abuse you’ve written against me over the months – my response is clearly more than justified.

But you’re a coward, Nic. A text-book example of a bully – who likes to dish out the rough-stuff – but cries and runs away when anyone stands up to you.

You are also – clearly – deeply stupid. What other possible explanation could there be for your deploying of an argument which, in fact, amounts to a near-perfect condemnation of your own approach?

I say near-perfect – for it to be a perfect description of your approach, you would have had to have added cowardice, hiding behind anonymity and attacking people without them knowing (until I revealed it) your true identity.

And what new depths have we come to? Surely it marks the end of Time4Change/Is This Jersey? Abusing your opponents’ parents and grand-parents with total falsehoods?

Whilst hiding behind a pseudonym?

Cowardly, thick – and a foot-stamping, tearful little tantrum – because someone has stood up to you. Your response has taken you and this site to below-tabloid levels. Lying about a person’s parentage?

Your really are disgusting.

I’ve been pretty tolerant over the years; allowed a broad range of associations with my blog, for example. But I’m removing the ItJ link – because it’s obviously just become vehicle for your jealous, sick, personal obsession with me.

How wisely the voting public have chosen when you have sought election – never getting in – by a country mile. Just as you surely never will.

When you run again will you include on your manifesto your visits to Auschwitz? Will you explain clearly and openly that your are an unreconstructed Leninist? Will you tell the public about your collection of Nazi memorabilia? Will you remind them of the occasion when you came to within a hair’s breadth of being prosecuted for breaking and entering a pensioner’s house in your search for Occupation artefacts?

I will certainly attend any husting meetings in which you’re involved to make sure people know the facts, Nic.

You are a sad, tragic and deeply creepy loser. Which is all you will ever be.

And remember, Nic – thick and cowardly - that’s you – before you start whining about this comment. If it be rude and aggressive, it is certainly no more so – a good deal less, actually – than your cowardly out-spillings. What I write also has the profound advantage of being true.

And I don’t hide behind a pseudonym – you spineless little cretin.

Stuart."

[Bea]

it's ok to name and shame if you have irreputable evidence .In the case of his rant against N Le C,he is totally off the mark .If he is wrong in this case ,what else has he got wrong .?
A man has been accused unfairly, Stuart I believe campaigns against injustice for victims,and have always supported him,but this time he has made a gross error of judgement.
I now question how much I can trust what he says ,if an innocent man is accused purely on his hearsay or suspicions.
A person is innocent until proved guilty still ,something fundamental to our system.
Our system in this regard is flawed ,as we have seen recently with the charges dropped etc ,but it is all we have still to protect ourselves.
I do not approve of these online bun fights.If people have personal grievances,or feel scorned in some way,take it offline or get the boxing gloves out.!!

[Bea]

We all should have access to such caring parish representives .People like them who are prepared, and so concerned that they feel compelled to go out their way for their fellow neighbour.
If all our elected representatives were so dedicated to the man on the street , to go the extra mile without any thought for themselves ,we all could sleep well at night .!!!People of such calibre are a breed unto themselves.

[mac]

I had a read of that last night and unfortunately it doesn't surprise me, what makes me sad/angry is that I honestly can't see them being charged or held accountable for there crimes due to the Jersey way

[Jeremy Strickland]

Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the Kathy Bull Report? Either on-line, or hard copy?

[mac]

I've looked online in the past without any luck

[markforskitt]

Jeremy,
I haven't seen a copy online, but there;'s some bits in this States Report
www.statesassembly.je/documents/reports/6679-14812.htm section 2.1 is a summary of the report recommendations.

I can't guarantee it is a compete list of the recommendations though.

[Jeremy Strickland]

Thank you for that link, Mark.

I've a feeling the report was not made public.